Ducks shopping Ryan

[maplesyrup]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/29/ducks_ryan/

I'd love this guy... We could have to potentially very good lines if he anchored the 2nd line as Kessel does the 1st... I wonder what it would take. 

 

[Stebro]

I doubt that he will ever become a leaf, but having Tim-Bobby on the 2nd line would be cool.

 

[lamajama]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/29/ducks_ryan/

I'd love this guy... We could have to potentially very good lines if he anchored the 2nd line as Kessel does the 1st... I wonder what it would take.

I had heard on 1040 in Vancouver that a trade had gone down then they corrected themselves. This was after a commerical break so I was hoping/fearing it was the Leafs and wondering what it had taken if so.
My mind was saying Kulemin, Kadri and a 1st. I'm not saying that's enough or too much. That's just what I thought if I were Anaheim. Sounds like too much for me.

 

[maplesyrup]

People would probably rip Burke for aquiring another American.  :

 

[Sudafederov]

2nd line?  Wouldn't the plan be for him to see 1st line duty?

If the Leafs got Ryan, and then signed Parise in the offseason, you could have a Team USA reunion BBQ for training camp in 2012.

 

[bustaheims]

Ryan is one of the few players in the league I'd be okay with Burke giving up Kadri for. That being said, I don't think it happens because I think the cost to acquire him will be significant and there will be a bidding war if the Ducks are in fact shopping him.

 

[maplesyrup]

2nd line?  Wouldn't the plan be for him to see 1st line duty?

My feeling is why split up Lupul/Kessel? That said, Ryan has played significant time at centre so Lupul/Ryan/Kessel on the PP at least would be dangerous for sure.

 

[Kin]

It's tough to say without knowing the Ducks' thought process here. If they're looking to move Ryan because they're looking for NHL-ready depth in an attempt to right the ship then it's tough to see the Leafs with the right pieces for that(Schenn? Kulemin?)

If they're looking to re-stock the cupboard then you'd have to think they'll be looking for at least one very high value prospect and a first.

I don't know. I'd like to see the Leafs in on that but it's tough to see the pieces fitting.

 

[Zee]

Yeah I can't see this happening (Ryan to the Leafs). Burke has finally stock piled talent, the team is playing well, I think they try and go with the young forwards we already have as opposed to packaging a bunch of guys to try and land an established young forward.

 

[maplesyrup]

Cox: "So should the Leafs be interested now? Yes... The Leafs are in the business of acquiring top six forwards as assets. The positional balance can be addressed later... The Leafs have assets, more than in a long time, the result of steady work by Burke and Dave Nonis over the past three years... You can bet Burke will kick the tires on this one, see if Ryan really is up for grabs. He knows the young man well and believes in him, and he and Murray can do business, with the fact they're a conference apart making it a little easier for both."

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2011/11/ryan-riddles.html

 

[Newbury]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/29/ducks_ryan/

I'd love this guy... We could have to potentially very good lines if he anchored the 2nd line as Kessel does the 1st... I wonder what it would take.

I had heard on 1040 in Vancouver that a trade had gone down then they corrected themselves. This was after a commerical break so I was hoping/fearing it was the Leafs and wondering what it had taken if so.
My mind was saying Kulemin, Kadri and a 1st. I'm not saying that's enough or too much. That's just what I thought if I were Anaheim. Sounds like too much for me.

That's exactly what proposal came to mind when I thought what the Leafs might have to offer to get him. Right now, I'm not sure I do it, but it's close.

 

[Kin]

The other thing to consider here is that while we tend to be quick to assume that other teams will want 4 quarters for a dollar, the Ducks may be interested in using Ryan to land a player of equal or higher value. Parise may be in play, same with one of Nashville's big time defensemen and on and on.

 

[Zee]

Cox: "So should the Leafs be interested now? Yes... The Leafs are in the business of acquiring top six forwards as assets. The positional balance can be addressed later... The Leafs have assets, more than in a long time, the result of steady work by Burke and Dave Nonis over the past three years... You can bet Burke will kick the tires on this one, see if Ryan really is up for grabs. He knows the young man well and believes in him, and he and Murray can do business, with the fact they're a conference apart making it a little easier for both."

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2011/11/ryan-riddles.html

No doubt Burke will inquire about Ryan, and given he drafted him we know he likes the kid, but I trust Burke not to suddenly tear down what's he's worked for 3 years to build up. If the price is too high, Ryan isn't coming here.

 

[Sudafederov]

I could definitely see this happening.

This may be worth a reread, not your garden variety hockey piece.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270

"Burke wasn't just convinced. He was moved: an innocent kid caught in the middle of a tough situation, but one who never thought of himself as a victim. 'The best interview I ever had with a young player,' Burke says."

 

[Newbury]

I could definitely see this happening.

This may be worth a reread, not your garden variety hockey piece.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270

"Burke wasn't just convinced. He was moved: an innocent kid caught in the middle of a tough situation, but one who never thought of himself as a victim. 'The best interview I ever had with a young player,' Burke says."

Yeah, obviously there's a link there, and if Ryan is available, there will be Leaf rumours. It would be awesome to see him in a Leaf jersey, but it's definitely a situation where we might have to give up more than we really should.

 

[Erndog]

The other thing to consider here is that while we tend to be quick to assume that other teams will want 4 quarters for a dollar, the Ducks may be interested in using Ryan to land a player of equal or higher value. Parise may be in play, same with one of Nashville's big time defensemen and on and on.

The Ducks are a team with salary constraints, not a cap team.  As one Ducks fan posted today:

Breaking down the situation a bit:

First off, everyone should read Elliotte Friedman's column, 30 Thoughts this week (link here). He spends some time talking about Anaheim's internal budget. Most of you know that Anaheim operates under a pretty strict cashflow, but this really hammers home how strict it is:
Ducks had to wait for Hagman to go on re-entry waivers before they could pick him up, because they couldn't afford him at full price.
Ducks couldn't pick Comeau off waiver wires because they couldn't afford him.
Ducks might not fire Carlyle simply because they can't afford to continue paying him (remember that extension he got in the summer?) and also pay a new coach.
According to Capgeek, Anaheim's floating around 60 million salary. Let's assume that 60 million is the Ducks 'Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200' line in the sand.

Anaheim is currently set up as a very top-heavy team (something else Friedman mentions). 16.68 million (almost 28% of that internal budget) is tied up in three players this year = Perry, Ryan and Getzlaf. This is actual contract payouts, not cap hits. Add in the 4.5 million that Hiller is being paid and that percentage is over one-third of the payroll. Add in the 9 million being paid to Visnovsky and Selanne this year and that's half the payroll on six players from a 23 player roster.

This is the situation that Anaheim finds themselves in. This is why they've had to do ticky-tack little moves with guys like Ben Maxwell and Matt Beleskey. Because quite frankly, they can't afford to take on a lot of salary without sending some away and most of the salary on the team is tied up in very few players.

So the only chance of being able to make a move of any significant degree, considering the present restraints on the team financially, is to move one of those big money players.
With Hiller and Visnovsky, you're making a larger hole. You'd need to replace Hilller if you moved him and the same could be said for Visnovsky.
Selanne isn't going anywhere.
Perry won the Hart Trophy last season.
Getzlaf is team captain and the face of the franchise.
That leaves Ryan.

Is it a comfortable situation to be in? Probably not, but neither is losing all but 2 of the past 18. Anaheim has to play the cards that their dealt and unfortunately this is what is in their hand.


Who knows how it shakes down and whether the Ducks do in fact trade Ryan, but I have no doubts if they DO trade him they will be looking for multiple assets.  Their depth is a mess.  They don't have the budget to take on a Parise or Weber, etc.  This will be the classic "4 quarters for a dollar" type of trade.

It reminds me a lot of when the Lightning had the 'Big 3' and ended up dealing one. 

 

[maplesyrup]

They don't have the budget to take on a Parise or Weber, etc.  This will be the classic "4 quarters for a dollar" type of trade.

It reminds me a lot of when the Lightning had the 'Big 3' and ended up dealing one.

That could be the case though Suter might not be as large of a ticket as Parise or Weber.

 

[Erndog]

They don't have the budget to take on a Parise or Weber, etc.  This will be the classic "4 quarters for a dollar" type of trade.

It reminds me a lot of when the Lightning had the 'Big 3' and ended up dealing one.

That could be the case though Suter might not be as large of a ticket as Parise or Weber.

True, but I have a hard time seeing the Ducks trading Bobby Ryan for a pending UFA, unless of course they work out a deal prior to that to extend Suter.

Even then, his cap hit will likely be at or above Ryan's $5.1M and I don't think the Ducks are looking to add ANY payroll when/if they trade Ryan.  (i.e. they've been penny pinching with Belesky, Maxwell, Hagman, etc... I doubt they are going to want to trade one of their better players and actually ADD salary). 

I think this really has the makings of a 2 for 1, or 4 for 2 type of deal.

 

[Kin]

Who knows how it shakes down and whether the Ducks do in fact trade Ryan, but I have no doubts if they DO trade him they will be looking for multiple assets.  Their depth is a mess.  They don't have the budget to take on a Parise or Weber, etc.  This will be the classic "4 quarters for a dollar" type of trade.

I'd be with you on that train of thought if it weren't for the fact that a handful of good nhl-ready depth would probably cost more than Ryan and maybe even more than a Weber or a Parise. If the Leafs offered Kulemin, Schenn and Mac, for instance, the Ducks would be taking on 4 million in extra salary compared to two for Weber or who knows for Parise. Plus, they always have the option of doing other deals and they have a ton of expiring contracts.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think this really has the makings of a 2 for 1, or 4 for 2 type of deal.

... and if that's the case, Burke should be all over it... and why shouldn't he be? In my mind,  Ryan > Carter (partly based on the contracts.) What was the deal Burke turned Philly down on again? I'd have to think we'd have to give up a bit (not a fair bit though a bit nevertheless) more than what Philly asked us for Carter.