Getzlaf and Ryan "in play" according to Bob Murray

[Erndog]

Twitter is pretty much exploding with this now.  Bob Mckenzie tweeted it also.

A Ducks reporter talked with Ducks GM Bob Murray just now and he confirms only Selanne and Koivu are untouchable.  Everyone else in play, starting with the underachievers (Getzlaf?).  Also, it is being reported he does not want to rebuild.

Here it is Burkie... If it's true that Bob is looking for a "core player for core player" type deal that likely puts us out of the running as we aren't trading kessel.  Unless of course Murray thinks Kadri and Schenn are "core player" types.

 

[McPwnage]

here is a blog about it: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Ducks-GM-puts-8216-for-sale-8217-signs-on-ev?urn=nhl-wp21628&cmp=fb

 

[McPwnage]

on a scale of 1/10 how rediclous is gustavsson for hiller?  also would you do it leafs side.

I will laugh so hard if we trade lupul back to them for getzlaf or ryan

 

[Deebo]

I don't know if we have what the Ducks would be looking for, but I'd bet Burke has already had some conversations with Murray about Getzlaf.

 

[McPwnage]

Screw ryan if we can get a shot at getzlaf I would be willing to give up a lot luke schenn, grabovski/conolloy, mac/kulemin and a conditional 2013 first rounder if we sign him to a contract extension.  Of course it isn't hf fans value but hopefully it could be done.  Burke will go all out for Getzlaf rest assured, he is the number one center we need so badly and he has a history with burke.  I hope burke and murray are still talking after that whole lupul/gardiner thing. 

 

[moon111]

I would be very hesitant to trade any player that's 'there' or has upside.  Grabs, Connolly, Schenn, Aulie are guys I'd consider moving.  I got bashed for criticizing Kulemin, but he's doing well besides scoring and has so much upside, it would be hard to include him.

 

[Zee]

Sounds like Bob wants to drive up the asking price before the trading deadline.

 

[Corn Flake]

I would be very hesitant to trade any player that's 'there' or has upside.  Grabs, Connolly, Schenn, Aulie are guys I'd consider moving.  I got bashed for criticizing Kulemin, but he's doing well besides scoring and has so much upside, it would be hard to include him.

In the masterful words of Bill Watters (probably), "WELL,.....you're going to have to include somebody".

 

[Erndog]

I would be very hesitant to trade any player that's 'there' or has upside.  Grabs, Connolly, Schenn, Aulie are guys I'd consider moving.  I got bashed for criticizing Kulemin, but he's doing well besides scoring and has so much upside, it would be hard to include him.

In the masterful words of Bill Watters (probably), "WELL,.....you're going to have to include somebody".

I've been reading some people name some untouchables.  I've read everyone from Colborne, Kulemin, and Gardiner.  I mean... for crying out loud people, get a hold of reality. 

If Boston still had Colborne and they were trading him for Getzlaf we would be in tears instantly.  But nope, once Colborne is ours, his stocks rises exponentially right to untouchable status not even for a proven All-Star like Getzlaf.... you know, cuz we hope Colborne develops into something CLOSE to Getzlaf. 

Anyways, if we can get Ryan or Getzlaf and Kulemin or Colborne have to be added, call me up, I'll drive them to the airport and help them with their luggage. 

Reminds me of years ago here when there were rumours of Zetterberg being available but there was a small contingency here who said they didnt want to trade Antropov straight up for him. 

 

[Zee]

To acquire a guy like Getzlaf the Leafs would HAVE to give up something of note.  He's that #1c that you've wanted for awhile now, they don't just come around.  Maybe Kadri becomes that guy?  Maybe Colborne?  They're question marks but Getzlaf has won a Cup.  Guys that could be in play would be pretty much anyone who isn't Kessel.

Edit: I see me and Erndog are on the same page.

 

[Zee]

For the record, I doubt we'll land anyone of note off the Ducks roster now.  Burke's MO the last few seasons has been to make a big trade with no rumblings at all in the press.  This is far too visible now that Murray opened up his trap.  Every team in the league is going to be putting packages together.

 

[Erndog]

For the record, I doubt we'll land anyone of note off the Ducks roster now.  Burke's MO the last few seasons has been to make a big trade with no rumblings at all in the press.  This is far too visible now that Murray opened up his trap.  Every team in the league is going to be putting packages together.

Sorry Zee, I am not sure where this misconception is coming from.

- We knew the Leafs were persuing Phil Kessel at the draft. The whole rumoured mix up between first round picks. Where we thought it was Kessel and a 1st for Kaberle, but the Bruins thought it was Kaberle and a 1st for Kessel. We traded for him 2 months later.

- Versteeg was rumoured out of town for 2 months. Lots of speculation he requested a trade and/or the Leafs were looking to deal him.

- Kaberle to Boston was talked about for a while... everyone knew well in advance it was quite plausible Kaberle was being traded to Boston.

- Leafs were rumoured to be acquiring Grabovski or Higgins for Sundins negotiating rights. A while later the Leafs traded a second for Grabs.

- LILES! Tons of speculation last deadline the Leafs were looking at Liles. Tons. They traded for him in the summer.



Often where there is smoke there is fire. Quite a bit of Leaf deals in recent years were speculated well in advance one way or another.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I get that he's a good player, but remember, this is also a guy that the Ducks are peddling, because he's playing horrible. So why should people break the bank and build the Ducks back up. I'm sure the price on his head will have a limit and will come out soon enough...

One thing makes me happy... that Burke would be doing the negotiations on a trade. I like our odds.
I bet the Ducks won't get their asking price and Murray pulls him off the table.

 

[Zee]

For the record, I doubt we'll land anyone of note off the Ducks roster now.  Burke's MO the last few seasons has been to make a big trade with no rumblings at all in the press.  This is far too visible now that Murray opened up his trap.  Every team in the league is going to be putting packages together.

Sorry Zee, I am not sure where this misconception is coming from.

- We knew the Leafs were persuing Phil Kessel at the draft. The whole rumoured mix up between first round picks. Where we thought it was Kessel and a 1st for Kaberle, but the Bruins thought it was Kaberle and a 1st for Kessel. We traded for him 2 months later.

- Versteeg was rumoured out of town for 2 months. Lots of speculation he requested a trade and/or the Leafs were looking to deal him.

- Kaberle to Boston was talked about for a while... everyone knew well in advance it was quite plausible Kaberle was being traded to Boston.

- Leafs were rumoured to be acquiring Grabovski or Higgins for Sundins negotiating rights. A while later the Leafs traded a second for Grabs.

- LILES! Tons of speculation last deadline the Leafs were looking at Liles. Tons. They traded for him in the summer.



Often where there is smoke there is fire. Quite a bit of Leaf deals in recent years were speculated well in advance one way or another.

The biggest trades Burke has made were the moves to get Phaneuf and Giguere, both of which we heard nothing about.

Edit: with the exception of Kessel of course, but that was a given he was coming to the Leafs and Burke's first move.

 

[Corn Flake]

I would be very hesitant to trade any player that's 'there' or has upside.  Grabs, Connolly, Schenn, Aulie are guys I'd consider moving.  I got bashed for criticizing Kulemin, but he's doing well besides scoring and has so much upside, it would be hard to include him.

In the masterful words of Bill Watters (probably), "WELL,.....you're going to have to include somebody".

I've been reading some people name some untouchables.  I've read everyone from Colborne, Kulemin, and Gardiner.  I mean... for crying out loud people, get a hold of reality. 

If Boston still had Colborne and they were trading him for Getzlaf we would be in tears instantly.  But nope, once Colborne is ours, his stocks rises exponentially right to untouchable status not even for a proven All-Star like Getzlaf.... you know, cuz we hope Colborne develops into something CLOSE to Getzlaf. 

Anyways, if we can get Ryan or Getzlaf and Kulemin or Colborne have to be added, call me up, I'll drive them to the airport and help them with their luggage. 

Reminds me of years ago here when there were rumours of Zetterberg being available but there was a small contingency here who said they didnt want to trade Antropov straight up for him.

Indeed.  I think to me the conditions come down to grouping certain types of players and once you have built up some depth in each group, you can sacrifice to make certain trades happen.  I see the groups as:

1. Our 3 best young prospects: Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner
2. Our young, relatively established d-men: Schenn, Gunarsson
3. Young forwards with varying degrees of value, but all with upside: Kulemin, Grabbo, Mac, Bozak,
4. a large group of tier-b and lower prospects

I would expect to give up two players from the first two groups with my preference being one from each, probably one from the 3rd group and one player from group 4 to get the deal done.. this is where I see a lot of debate happening but the first two groups are no-brainers to a trade like this happening. 

I would expect something in addition to a Getzlaf to come back in return as well to balance things out a bit more. 

Bottom line is a price has to be paid to get the guy even if his value is probably at an all time low due to performance.  Its very much like the Phaneuf deal only you are dealing with a GM who has moderately more sanity left and getting a player who has accomplished a lot more.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm giddy with excitement just at the thought of Getzlaf being available.  It's near impossible to acquire true #1 centres. 

I'm sure Burke has already kicked the tires to see what it'd take.  I know Getzlaf has played well below standards this year, but a big part of me doesn't mind Burke going all out to get him.  He's exactly what this team needs; we obviously haven't had one anywhere close since Sundin.  Big, skillful, PPG centres rarely come up in trade.  Who was the last one -- Thornton? 

I'd be willing to give up pretty much anyone not named Kessel in a deal for Getzlaf.

 

[Mack674]

The time has come! The hour is here! The Prophecy of the Getzlaf is coming true!!

I remember saying for a few seasons that if only someone like Getzlaf were available, he'd be perfect. I can't believe our luck if he's actually in play.

If Burke could pull that off, Id do backflips down the street. Guys like this are available like maybe once every 5 years and its our biggest weakness like you said Pete that we need big Sundin-like forward.

Id be willing to part with quite alot as well to get him here.

 

[Erndog]

I'd be willing to give up pretty much anyone not named Kessel in a deal for Getzlaf.

I'm in the exact same boat.  Anyone but Kessel.

Guys of Getzlaf's capability don't come around too often.  I have no issues with trading, say Kadri and Kulemin (plus!) for him.  The way I see it, Kadri/Kulemin likely have ceilings of 50-60 points.  Players like that are replaceable... either via draft, or free agency, or trades or even salary dumps.  Just this summer a guy like Versteeg was had very cheap. 

Getting a player like Getzlaf is so rare.  Getting guys like Kadri/Kulemin are more or less interchangeable and replaceable every summer. 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

My deal: Dupuis, Orr and a conditional 3rd round pick (condition being Getzlaf wins a Hart in next 2 years).

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

My deal: Dupuis, Orr and a conditional 3rd round pick (condition being Getzlaf wins a Hart in next 2 years).

Sounds funny, but I don't it would take much more than that.  Anaheim is BROKE.