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New Rumour - Kyle Turris/Nazem Kadri

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A Coyotes blogger just posted this over at Hockeybuzz.  Since it wasn't Schleplund I figured it was worth posting, even if just to give people something to debate  8)

How would you feel about trading Kadri for a young center like Turris??  He might do very well given a big increase in minutes over what he got in Phoenix.  Link:  http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Adam-French/Kyle-Turris-for-Nazem-Kadri-Close/155/37090

Oops, already in the GM thread.  Sorry, please remove while I go stand in the corner.  :-X
 
I don't know about this one. In terms of potential, I'm not sure there's much separating the two, in which case, I think I'd rather hang on to Kadri. Better the devil you know and such.
 
If they're going to trade Kadri I'd much rather it be for something established.

Basically six of one, half a dozen of the other.
 
Busta Reims said:
I don't know about this one. In terms of potential, I'm not sure there's much separating the two, in which case, I think I'd rather hang on to Kadri. Better the devil you know and such.

You're basically shuffling talent from your LW column to your C column which as I said in the armchair thread, may not be such a bad thing.
 
Floyd said:
You're basically shuffling talent from your LW column to your C column which as I said in the armchair thread, may not be such a bad thing.

Maybe, but, it's not like the Leafs have a ton of top flight prospects on the wing either. Turris is further along in the development process and, because of that, what we've seen of him so far may be close to where he tops out - hard to tell, because of the way he's been used/mis-used and shuffled around in Phoenix, which also could have had a negative effect on his development. Kadri just finished his 1st professional season, so, it's harder to judge where he'll end up. Based on where both players are right now, I think the odds are better that Kadri ends up as a 1st liner, though I don't think either player ends up better than a 2nd line guy.
 
EJ said:
Kadri > Turris, no thanks.

x2. Turris is or should be further along his career than Nazim and he's not as good right now IMO.

I just don't get the apparent blood desire to trade Nazim. Can we give the kid some time please?!
 
I don't get the desire to give up on Kadri, either.  The guy has great vision and can make passes that very few can...plus he can dangle.  Learning the responsible, defensive side of the game is what has been his biggest challenge, and I see a real determination to learn that.  He'll be a quality 2nd line guy - wing or center.  Let him develop!
 
No one is giving up on him, I think the word here is impatience.

He's the quickest solution we have to acquiring immediate top 6 help; since he hasn't made any major contributions to the big club, the average Leaf fan will always include him in trade proposals due to a lack of an emotional connection to him. 

Toronto isnt used to developing drafted talent, this shouldnt come as a shock to anybody. Nazem is here to stay, unless he was to be packaged for a guy like Mike Richards (which makes more sense than moving him for another unproven talent like Turris).

Let him get a couple 3 point games this season and see how quickly these trade proposals stop, and he becomes labelled as the next coming.  It's just the way Toronto fans are.  We're on the right track, lets keep it that way.
 
Saint Nik said:
If they're going to trade Kadri I'd much rather it be for something established.

Agreed.  I'd rather the Leafs groom their own prospect than take on some other team's, who is slowly turning into a reclamation project. 
 
Unless there is something we don't know about Kadri, this trade won't be made. I think Kadri is a better looking prospect at this point.

 
I thought Burke/Nonis were on vacation right now with their usual fishing trip up north.  Where are these trade rumors coming from?
 
Zee said:
I thought Burke/Nonis were on vacation right now with their usual fishing trip up north.  Where are these trade rumors coming from?

hockeybuzz folks ...

.                      ...who need to stimulate a little traffic on their site?
 
Turris seems like a mega-bust to me (so far anyways).  I know he played well near the end of the season and into the playoffs but Kadri seems as likely to break out this year as Turris does.

No thanks.  I'd only deal Kadri for something established not a sideways move.
 
lamajama said:
EJ said:
Kadri > Turris, no thanks.

x2. Turris is or should be further along his career than Nazim and he's not as good right now IMO.

I just don't get the apparent blood desire to trade Nazim. Can we give the kid some time please?!
Turris is a center going into his 3rd NHL season....Kadri was drafted as a center but trying to make the Leafs as a winger for the second year in a row. I think Turris is a bit better then Kadri even tho Turris is a year and a couple of months older.
Not saying I'd make the deal, but Turris isn't exactly a stiff as some seem to suggest.
 
Turris being a 3rd year NHL player is great and all, but he has been a pro-player for 3 years...he has 130-ish games because he wasn't good enough for the NHL on what has been some piss-poor rosters in Phoenix.  They have been trying to hand him an NHL job and really haven't been able to.  So, yes, he has experience, but he isn't established as a proven NHL player whereas Kadri was always going to be starting in the AHL last year, and forced his way onto the team with his play/poor play from others.  I'm not exactly sure how that implies that Turris is better (not that he doesn't have a high ceiling) but when you are trading prospects you need to be sure that you are dealing from a strength for a weakness, or are dealing a safer player for a high risk/reward guy.  I'm not sure how Turris falls into either category as the Leafs aren't particularly deep with top 6 prospects that are going to reliably be NHLers. 

Frattin cleaned up his act last year but could destroy his career like he was doing in College.  McKegg is a guy with some production who isn't exactly a prototypical NHL prospect.  And guys like D'Amigo/Ross/Biggs are either several years away or project more in the 2/3 kind of role rather than 1/2.    Colborne might be top 6 too but also has to show for a stretch longer than 20 games that he can score like one.  There are some good prospects in the Leafs system, but because Burke was dealing away 1st rounders for Kessel, they are 2nd/3rd/4th round picks.  Those picks can be good, but they almost always come with a warning label, or take longer to develop.  The Leafs don't have the kind of prospect pool to be dealing away guys with some high potential...and to be honest, I really like the pedigree of players that come out of the Knights system.  They don't all end up as stars, but they have produced enough NHLers who have had reasonable success in the past while that I'd like to hang on to the guy who came from there.  Kadri was carrying some brutal teams to the postseason with his play.
 
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