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2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread

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Ladie and Gentlemen, Everyone...your 2020 Toronto Blue Jays.  Spring Training edition.


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Blue Jays Spring Training roster:  (Includes 40-man roster & NRI (Non-roster invitees).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Toronto_Blue_Jays_roster

Blue Jays begin their Grapefruit League schedule Saturday Feb. 22.
Here?s a good synopsis of what Jays fans can expect to see:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-2020-spring-training-players-stories-watch/
 
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.
 
Highlander said:
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.
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Agree.  At almost 24 he belongs in the majors but with 4 veterans already slotted in that leaves only the 1 open spot.  We have 2 injury prone starters in the rotation so my guess is they will start him in Buffalo and then call him up when Ryu or Shoemaker go down.
 
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.
 
Highlander said:
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.
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ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
 
L K said:
Highlander said:
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.
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ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
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More in reference to the upgrade in pitching.  Hope Shoemaker can stay healthy, looks like he has picked up where he left off when he was injured last year.
 
New report saying the Astros players were telling pitchers after games that they stole signs that the pitcher was telegraphing pitches.  These guys are absolutely disgusting.
 
Wasn't that always what they said about Darvish in the World Series? That the Astros beat him up so badly because he was telegraphing his stuff?
 
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
 
The Empire said:
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
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Cheating in any professional sport should be made a Federal Offence punishable by Federal terms.
The Astros that can be proven to have known and took place in this travesty should be banished from the game in lieu of jail time. Not slap on the hand one year suspensions.
 
I really don't get working yourself into a lather over the morality of this stuff, especially considering Baseball's historical winking eye towards cheating. With steroids the whole thing was it was separate because it involved dangerous drugs that players might have felt pressure to use. This doesn't. Sign stealing is as old as the game and while the use of technology crosses the line between a violation of the rules and not, it doesn't make it some terrible ethical crime.

The problem here is with the lousy decision by MLB to not really take a sledgehammer to the Astros and their "championship" as a punishment. But the efforts to rig the scales in your favour is as old as baseball itself. They got caught, we know they're frauds, MLB messed up the punishment.
 
As the saying goes, if you?re not cheating, you?re not trying hard enough. There?s always been acceptable cheating in sports. What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.
 
bustaheims said:
What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.
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I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.
 
Nik Bethune said:
I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.
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For me, it?s that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. I?d consider a video camera to be the same - they?re not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it can?t be done by the guys in uniform while they?re in uniform, it?s outside the acceptable realm.
 
bustaheims said:
For me, it?s that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. I?d consider a video camera to be the same - they?re not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it can?t be done by the guys in uniform while they?re in uniform, it?s outside the acceptable realm.
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Eh. That makes a convincing case that it's different. I don't know about worse.

Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?

I'm not disagreeing, exactly, obviously an ethical or moral question has no right or wrong answer and I understand and agree with the idea that what the Astros did should be against the rules and I'd be fine with the team receiving a much harsher penalty than they did. I just can't get worked up over it is all.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?
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I think the difference there is that one is a fairly standard practice, and the information being relayed is aggregate data and trends that indicate likely possibilities, while the other is "this is what's happening right now." One allows the team to make informed decisions, while the other is telling the guy at the plate what pitch is coming now.

To me, they're quite different scenarios.
 
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